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Michael Angelo Zervos: Every Country on Earth in 499 Days

KEY MOMENTS

0:00 – Intro — who is Michael Angelo Zervos?
0:34 – Greeks in America — diners, Coney Islands, and the varsity jacket problem
5:05 – Christopher Nolan's Odyssey — not a single Greek in the cast
6:25 – 195 countries in 499 days — how the Guinness World Record works
8:04 – A year and a half of planning — and the Brazilian who claimed he did it by accident
9:33 – What counts as "visiting" a country? The Guinness rules
11:08 – Project Cosmos — interviewing people about the happiest moment of their life
13:13 – Brand deals, sponsorships, and the reality of Guinness World Record celebrity
14:35 – Traveling as a man vs. a woman — the real differences
16:37 – Married with two kids — how he pulled this off
20:24 – The happiest moment of the trip — waking up in Ghana
21:33 – The Swiss man who came out as bisexual at a phone-free party in Zurich
23:45 – The worst moments: jailed in Liberia for photographing a building
26:57 – Deported from Nicaragua — they thought he was a journalist
27:41 – Left-wing dictatorships and the memory hole
29:50 – North Korea — getting in through a two-week window that's now closed
32:14 – North Korea as Plato's cave — the allegory of the cave in real life
33:44 – His grandfather forced to fight for communist guerrillas in the Greek Civil War
35:29 – Dennis Rodman's translator was a libertarian
36:44 – Cuba — what it's actually like on the ground
38:40 – Poverty porn, romanticizing socialism, and what Cubans actually think
43:42 – The Facebook argument: "Oh no, Starbucks is going to ruin Cuba"
45:38 – What's actually lost when wealth is generated — community and dependency
47:27 – Traveling through conflict zones: Ukraine, Palestine, Syria, Sudan
49:37 – Asking people about happiness in a war zone
50:27 – The book: published by Penguin Random House, out February 23rd
52:23 – Chicken soup for the soul meets Anthony Bourdain — what the book actually is
54:14 – Outro — follow Michael and get the book

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Michael Angelo Zervos, who visited all 195 countries in 499 days for a Guinness World Record, joins Lou to talk about what actually counts as "visiting" a country, getting jailed overnight in Liberia for photographing a building, and being deported from Nicaragua because they thought he was a journalist.

We also get into a year and a half of planning vs. the Brazilian who claimed he did it by accident, getting into North Korea during a two-week window that's since closed, North Korea as Plato's cave in real life, Cuba on the ground vs. what the left says about it, asking about happiness in Ukraine, Palestine, Syria, and Sudan, and his grandfather's forced service with communist guerrillas in the Greek Civil War.

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