Lou on Isaac Simpson's The Carousel
KEY MOMENTS
0:00 – Intro: Isaac Simpson on The Trouble With Wanting Men
3:02 – Written by a mother: the missing self-awareness
5:47 – An open marriage and the dating premise
9:19 – Scratching the scab of self-reflection
13:53 – The good guys she keeps dating
18:03 – Heteropessimism and academic queer theory
21:10 – He's Just Not That Into You
24:39 – Her divorce and her type of man
28:01 – J and the language of commitment avoidance
32:24 – The open relationship and falling for J
37:32 – Asa Seresin and the coining of heteropessimism
40:59 – Is modern dating actually any different?
44:02 – Isaac drops off and Lou holds the stream
48:11 – Isaac returns from a frozen connection
53:28 – Why to have kids younger
56:50 – MeToo and why men are afraid to pursue
1:00:29 – Men losing their drive and playing a role
1:03:42 – Why Isaac finds the essay encouraging
1:09:23 – What divorce and new partners do to kids
1:14:06 – The essay's final paragraphs
1:17:18 – Who would actually satisfy her?
1:19:52 – Girls, Adam Driver, and the abortion scene
1:23:19 – Lou's book and wrap-up
ABOUT THIS EPISODE
This one isn't even an episode of The Lou Perez Podcast. It's Lou's appearance on Isaac Simpson's podcast, The Carousel, where the two talk about Jean Garnett's New York Times essay "The Trouble with Wanting Men," her heterofatalism, and her total lack of self-awareness.
We also get into all 5,000 of Garnett's words, how the piece tricked Lou into buying a Times subscription, AWFL dating advice, why dating might be hard when you're this annoying, and the breed of "man" who signals his exemption from the tainted category of "men" because it must be mildly embarrassing to be a straight man.