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Ilana Redstone: The Certainty Trap

KEY MOMENTS

0:00 – Intro: Ilana Redstone and The Certainty Trap
0:42 – Why Lou does the podcast
1:56 – An online fight over the Daniel Penny case
4:01 – Why the New York subway stopped feeling safe
5:34 – Challenged to a fistfight on X
8:41 – Finding the guy on LinkedIn
11:02 – Lessons from the exchange
13:32 – It just feels better to be certain
15:30 – Rushing to judgment about a friend's husband
18:46 – Kids, stress, and marriage
20:34 – Where the name Redstone comes from
21:56 – Has sociology earned its bad rap?
24:22 – Treating contested claims as certain
26:32 – Lou's sex and gender studies class at NYU
31:04 – Teaching a course on contentious topics
34:14 – Should any department be exempt from justifying itself?
37:19 – Teaching how to think, not what to think
39:18 – Why critical thinking talk falls short
42:03 – Articulating why rape is wrong
43:52 – Peter Boghossian and defending your beliefs
44:54 – Día de los Muertos at Target: a thought experiment
47:49 – Cultural appropriation and buying sombreros
49:14 – Thriller and who really makes the music
52:06 – Michael Jackson and Duran Duran posters
52:46 – When cultural borrowing is a real problem
54:21 – Is there such a thing as white culture?
55:29 – Is there an uncertainty trap?
56:58 – Saying right and wrong without certainty
58:59 – Degrees of certainty and the flat Earth
1:01:23 – Best moment of 2024 and goals for 2025

ABOUT THIS EPISODE

Ilana Redstone, author of The Certainty Trap: Why We Need to Question Ourselves More and How We Can Judge Others Less, joins Lou to kick off 2025 and talk about the certainty trap, sociology's (well-deserved) bad rap, cultural appropriation, and bringing online fights into the real world.

We also get into an online fight over the Daniel Penny case, getting challenged to a fistfight on X and finding the guy on LinkedIn, why it just feels better to be certain, Lou's sex and gender studies class at NYU, teaching how to think rather than what to think, Día de los Muertos at Target, whether there's such a thing as white culture, and saying right and wrong without certainty.

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